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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 733 for the 23rd of

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October 2022 Richard Saunders coming to

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um looking out the window there rainy

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Sydney Australia and it's raining and

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flooding in many areas in this state New

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South Wales and in other states as well

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it's not good it's not good areas that

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are already

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soaked the ground is soaked receiving

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more rain and there's simply nowhere for

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the rain to go

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so the floods are occurring

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my thoughts go out to those people

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battling those floods at the moment

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maybe the skeptic Zone can give you a

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brief distraction from that and what is

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coming up on this week's episode of the

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somewhere that's not flooding Las Vegas

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we chat to our correspondent from Canada

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who is in Las Vegas Adrian Hill you can

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count on Adrian Adrian a few days ago

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got in touch with me and gave me a

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little bit of a preview of scicon the

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big convention where all my friends and

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probably some enemies are at the moment

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as I record in Las Vegas

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I've been looking at the photographs

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Green With Envy wishing I could be there

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alas not this time maybe next time

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anyway find out about scicon coming up

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at the top of the show

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and over the next few weeks I hope to

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bring you more reports and interviews

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thanks to the efforts of my friend Rob

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Palmer following that report it's the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter normally

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read by Adrian Hill but she's in Las

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Vegas having a good time

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so I'll read it this time and that

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newsletter is compiled by Tim Mendham

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then a blast from the past a blast from

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six years ago such a good report from

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such a good reporter I thought I would

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repeat it again Joe Alabaster in her

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segment evidence please gave us a report

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about something I did not see this time

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around at mindbody wallet mind-body

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spirit this is the Dreadful substance

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called black Salve which claims to cure

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your cancers find out about how

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dangerous this black self quackery was

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then and still is

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with Joe Alabaster and to round off the

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show we go back to the Trove Archives

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this time from 1972

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a report called the psychic side see

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what people way back then

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thought the future would hold by the way

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of or in the way of psychic powers and

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research and acceptability and things

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like that so no matter what you're doing

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I hope the skeptic Zone can give you a

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little bit of entertainment this weekend

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I don't know maybe you have house

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renovations on new decking possibly new

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walls new ceiling new floor

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train but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have some left over

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with Adrian Hill

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and joining me now all the way from

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fabulous Las Vegas it's none other than

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Adrian Hill hello Adrian how are you

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doing Richard I'm I'm wet it's raining

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cats and dogs in Sydney I've just been

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thought what a great opportunity a good

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excuse to contact Adrian Adrian you're

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in Las Vegas I wish I was there too for

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cycling I wish you were with us as well

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what's what's the plan what do you hope

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to see who do you hope to meet and what

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do you hope to do the big thing that I'm

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many people that I've met online over

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that I feel like I know pretty well and

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been happening I met a lot of people

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already from trivia and it's surreal to

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see them and they're always surprised

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when they see me because I'm tall and

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when you're on a computer screen you

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can't tell how tall people are so I get

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I get quite the reaction which is fine

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and I'm also really excited to meet

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people like Kenny Biddle who I feel like

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I know pretty well because we've been

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directed a lot about ghosts and other

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things and he's had me on his show

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and we've only ever met very very

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briefly in Washington DC and so it's

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really great to have a chance to talk to

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him and spend a little bit more time

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with him and of course to see Susan

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it's I'm going to be exhausted I know

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is the original Energizer Bunny folks I

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also very excited about having George

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frob being the MC for the whole thing he

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first cycon which was in 2018 and he was

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and of course all the speakers look

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fantastic and Neil deGrasse Tyson of

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looking forward to it all I'm looking

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forward to just being with people

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really important folks and there's this

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expression we hear a lot uh preaching to

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the choir is a waste of time and there

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is a truth in that

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on the flip side though I have been in

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the choir plenty of times going to

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conventions and having people preach at

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me but I learn a lot I do learn a lot

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and I think it's a little unfair to say

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we're wasting our time because like any

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group of like-minded people every now

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discuss our core interests and I really

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we we must put our efforts otherwise to

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reaching lots of people throughout the

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world throughout different communities

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but to get together once in a while to

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chat amongst ourselves I think is a very

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good thing it's a very good thing and

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it's nice to be with others that you

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don't have to sort of watch what you say

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if you know what I mean like you can

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speak speak honestly like we were at the

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Omega uh store which is kind of an

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attraction here in Vegas and outside

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it that uh on the outside of it

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readings poem readings Etc and we all

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should do it would be kind of fun but

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you know you can be honest with your

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with other Skeptics because we all think

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the same way about it and you don't have

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to kind of watch what you say and I I

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in your comfort zone we hear a lot of

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people saying You must step out of your

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this uh and sometimes the words what's

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the words toxic positivity come to mind

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no right sometimes you need to be

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comfortable you need not to worry about

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those things and I think it's good for

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your mental health well and I have a

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really fun story for you too last night

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I was sitting around a table and said I

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knew Melanie tressek King was going to

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be here so we we have been texting each

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other and we got together we were

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sitting around a table and more and more

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people were joining us we were having a

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blast and

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this fellow had never met sat down and

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Melanie says hey he's been on the Zone

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too and so John guy sits down next to me

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and he looks at me and he says are you

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on the skeptic Zone

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and I went yes and he says I recognize

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you from your picture on the from when I

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listened to the skeptic Zone and that

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was really cool and it turns out he was

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on the skeptic Zone as well promoting

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his book and I've actually that's right

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yeah so I purchased the book program and

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I'm going to get a signed copy so it's

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really exciting to meet these people

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that you've heard on the on your show or

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other shows and just get together with

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them and have a good time and chat about

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all things skeptical and all things not

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skeptical you know talking about travel

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or uh or other conferences or other

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it's it's a really fun time well Adrian

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again I'm as I said to you just before

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we started I'm just dying of jealousy

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here I wish I could be there it's not

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always easy of course to travel to the

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other side of the world and there are

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certain things get in the way like a

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but I do I do Envy you please give all

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my best to my dear friends I'll be I'll

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be missing them terribly and uh what

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I'll get you to do over the course of

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the next few days is pull aside Rob

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Palmer and have a chat to him and we'll

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play that on the skeptic Zone coming up

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I think oh that would be awesome I will

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definitely do that and I believe he's

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arriving today I don't know if he's here

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yet he hasn't texted me I'm sure he will

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I know we will be getting together and

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uh I'll look forward to interviewing him

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excited well he's just he's just texted

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there you go there we go so hopefully

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soon I will be getting together with Rob

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and we can sit down for an interview in

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a quiet spot now in Vegas it's not easy

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to find a quiet spot so hopefully we'll

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be able to do that

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well I'm wishing you a wonderful weekend

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full of talks and interesting people and

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good times but for now Adrian Hill all

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the way over there in fabulous Las Vegas

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thank you very much thanks great talking

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Carrie is it oh yes hi I'm Carrie I am

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psychic Ross and I will be reading you

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this evening oh interesting well okay I

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co-host a podcast it's called Ono Ross

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and Carrie yes I'm sensing that the

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spirits are telling me it is a show

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about well it's about like fringe

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science and spirituality and claims of

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the Paranormal oh you knew that you do

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research online but more importantly

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like we do in-person investigation

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investigate as well oh my God that's

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amazing you see me and my friend this is

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so weird my friend Ross same name as you

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weird he and I just go and try them all

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out and actually we've gone to a number

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of psychics and to be honest with you

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it's a lot like this it's called Ona

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Ross and carry they can find it at

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hi all says Tim the recent decision to

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award close to us one billion dollars in

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Damages against shock jock Alex Infowars

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Jones for his Insidious and false claims

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against the victims of the Sandy Hook

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massacre is a just and encouraging

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outcome How likely authorities are to

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actually get that sort of money out of

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Jones is another issue estimates are

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that he only has about uh where two

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hundred million dollars and no doubt

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we'll be doing all he legally can to

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avoid paying anything like it

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nevertheless this is a lesson for

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conspiracy theorists their actions have

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consequences next step is to go after

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those heartless and dangerous people who

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took heed of claims made by Jones and

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others that the victims and their

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families were fakes

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crisis actors and consequently felt

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entitled to record them make abusive

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comments online make rape and death

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threats and in one case urinating on the

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grave of a seven-year-old victim and

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threatened to dig up their coffin Jones

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will probably get away with as much as

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he can and continue his pernicious

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campaigns of falsehoods and paranoia the

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righteous Souls who threaten the victims

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families may never be found hiding as

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trolls largely do behind online

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anonymity

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if you need any proof that conspiracy

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theorists can be more than duplicitous

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at the extremes they can be malicious

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heartless and dangerous then this is it

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this indicates why the ongoing job for

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Skeptics authorities and the public to

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call out irrationality and unreason at

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the beginning of a movement is so

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necessary and not to wait for

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consequences that may eventually prove

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fatal on a lighter note read on Tim okay

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just to remind you that all the Articles

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Australian Skeptics news face to face at

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skepticon December the 3rd and 4th as

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we've been reporting for some weeks and

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months now the Australian Skeptics

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National Convention will be held in

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on the first weekend of December and as

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mentioned over that time the

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klingenberg chair of the European

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Council of skeptical organizations and

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the ESP podcast the European Skeptics

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podcast who were only on the show in the

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last few weeks as well as online

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appearances by Dr Steve Novella from the

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skeptic's guide to the universe and

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Brian Dunning flying in from a UFO to

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bent spoon Award nominations you still

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have time to put in a nomination for the

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Australian Skeptics bent spoon award one

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of the least sought after credits in the

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skeptical world

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or any world for that matter if you

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would like to put forward someone for

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this non-prestigious award then go to

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what is deja vu interesting and fairly

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short article on how psychologists are

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exploring that weird feeling of reliving

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an experience or location the research

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suggests that one contributing factor

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can be spatial resemblance of a new

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scene to one in memory that fails to be

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consciously called to mind at the moment

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though this is unlikely to be the only

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Factor on the other hand you may think

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you've already read this article oh Tim

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oh

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that's a knee slapper

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how to search for Reliable medical

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information online while Dr Google is no

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substitute for seeing a health

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professional seeking medical information

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online can have benefits Australian

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skeptic Dr Rachel Dunlop of course Dr

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reichi one of the skeptic Zone reporters

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Dr Richie reports Dr Rachel Dunlop with

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others is quoted quote medical

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information sourced from the Internet is

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never a substitute for seeing a

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qualified health care professional but

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it can prepare you for a visit to the

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doctor help you to understand your

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health issues and provide support from

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other patients if you are getting your

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information from reliable and trusted

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sources end quote

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our core memories real

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an article on the myth of having a small

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set of memories often from Early

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Childhood that Define our personality

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some problems one personality is not

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defined by memories and two we have a

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lot more than say five core memories

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the beginnings of a global super

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conspiracy theory the Illuminati

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conspiracy theory justifies the shift in

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world view from the old to the new it

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creates a reason which Shields The

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Believer from having to admit the

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possibility that some perspective of

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theirs was wrong by placing the change

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as a result of a formless enemy the

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change can be dismissed as a result of

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the conspiracy thus they no longer have

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to adapt to that change thoughtful

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lengthy article from the UK Skeptics

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the September issue of the skeptic

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magazine is out the journal from

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Australian Skeptics with a major look at

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their mysterious and often secretive

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world of organized exorcisms in

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Australia and not just from the Catholic

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Church also included in the September

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issue are articles on dowsing priests

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falling frogs and tips on how to stay

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afloat on the sea of misinformation

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plus a review of the involvement of a

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psychic in a recent court case on The

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Disappearance of Lynn Dawson and the

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guilty decision in the trial of her

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ex-husband

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you can sign up for the hard copy or the

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it's a lot easier to read it's in the

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bath if you get the magazine itself

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contact the editor it'll be uh timmendum

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items of Interest

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most haunted counties in the UK research

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from Psychic World lists the frequency

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of paranormally events across the UK

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counties this article is from a

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Lancashire publication takes pride in

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that County's performance even though it

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came in at just outside the top ten the

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list covers 11 700 paranormal sightings

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from 59 countries with the Yorkshire

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London and Essex taking out the top

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three spots the most prevalent type of

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paranormal sightings in the UK is

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Phantom horses and Riders like

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horse-drawn carriages and ghostly

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Horsemen really no ghosts in pubs

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knocking over glasses haunted horses

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10 most profitable horror movies of all

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time

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horror movies often have a tiny budget

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but can generate relatively huge returns

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hmm did you hear that may not we might

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have to do a horror movie Next or even

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not relatively just huge the initial

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production budget for paranormal

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activity which tops the list was less

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than U.S 15 000. producers gave vet the

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go-ahead for an overall budget of us 450

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000 and it eventually made us

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194 million Paranormal Activity isn't

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just the most profitable horror movie of

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all time it has the greatest return rate

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of any movie ever

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to know that we're here for you hey hey

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interrupting my heartfelt promotional

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copy it's me Celestia Ward your co-host

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really in these trying times that's the

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best you can do well I'm just doing what

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everyone else is doing I thought

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that's not what we do

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oh for crying out loud who else is here

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I'll Romero your other co-host hey

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we don't do what everybody else does Ben

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that's kind of our thing at squaring the

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strange yeah we try to approach things a

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little differently than your standard

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day we've got a professional skeptical

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author Ben who has Decades of experience

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researching topics for a dozen books and

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thousands of Articles and a cartoonist

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skeptic Celestia who knows her stuff

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the psychology of perception and a

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badass heavy metal rock star and Tech

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engineer Pasquale who brings knowledge

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of all things Audio Plus a bunch of neck

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tattoos scoring the strange explores

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topics both mysterious and mundane

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through a critical lens monsters panics

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trying times promo idea but we have

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chupacabras and clown panics right yes

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yes

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[Music]

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when you spot something that's of

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concern it can be worth spending a

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couple of minutes filling in a report or

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noting it publicly via social media

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little actions such as theirs are

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greater than no action they do add up

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and can be the starting point for

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greater change

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this week I went and had a minor

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procedure to remove a lesion after

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having a skin cancer check performed

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it's highly unlikely that the lesion is

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a potentially problematic one but that

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can't be completely ruled out unless

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it's sent to pathology and examined

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this experience had me thinking about

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skin cancer and alternative medicine

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namely black salve

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for those of you not familiar with black

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Salve also known as bloodroot or

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consumer it is a herbal preparation

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which proponents claim can draw out

552
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,539
cancer cells when applied to the skin

553
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:08,700
black self preparations typically

554
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,059
contain zinc chloride and Chaparral also

555
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,360
known as creosote Bush and bloodroot the

556
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:17,700
extract of which is called sanguinaran

557
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,980
an ammonium salt which attacks and

558
00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:22,380
destroys living tissue

559
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:24,980
black selves are corrosive substances

560
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:28,860
classified as escherotics esurotics are

561
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substances which cause tissue to die and

562
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:32,220
slop off

563
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:34,620
black self proponents believe that when

564
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,080
this asherotic destroys tissue it is

565
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:39,720
somehow targeting cancer cells and the

566
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,240
when scabs form and fall off the cancer

567
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:44,580
is being removed from the body

568
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,640
this is sadly very wrong there is no

569
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,500
mechanism by which black self can

570
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,020
mobilize and Destroy cancer cells in a

571
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:54,419
targeted manner the self merely damages

572
00:25:59,690 --> 00:25:57,179
tissue healthy or not

573
00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,700
use of black Salve can result in

574
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:02,279
ulceration infection skin damage deep

575
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,860
tissue damage and muscle damage if

576
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,539
you're feeling not too squeamish and

577
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,159
want to see the extent of the damage

578
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,740
black self can cause Google black Salve

579
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,000
and have a look at either the Google

580
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,400
image search tab or the black cell

581
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,039
Facebook page be warned though you'll

582
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:19,919
see people with huge ulcers large scabs

583
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,440
and people who have literal holes in

584
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:24,720
their faces and large areas of tissue

585
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,080
missing from arms necks and breasts it's

586
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:30,360
fairly disturbing frankly both that

587
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:31,799
people believe they're doing themselves

588
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,500
good by using black Salve and that they

589
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,240
feel that damaging themselves in this

590
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,640
way is less traumatic than going to a

591
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:41,220
doctor being examined and undergoing

592
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,380
evidence-based cancer diagnosis and

593
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:45,539
treatment

594
00:26:50,029 --> 00:26:47,159
and here's another thing which is

595
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,039
troublesome many users of black Salve

596
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,740
hear of it via Word of Mouth from other

597
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:55,380
black self users naturopaths and other

598
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:57,900
alternative medicine proponents

599
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,539
some decide to use black self after a

600
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,940
diagnosis from a GP my own skin cancer

601
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:05,159
doctor has had people ask him about its

602
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:07,620
use much to his dismay While others

603
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:10,500
self-diagnose skin cancers or act on the

604
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,520
opinions of unqualified people online

605
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:16,559
there is a reason we have doctors who

606
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:17,940
are specially trained in skin cancer

607
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,980
detection and treatment and pathology

608
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:21,720
Labs who conduct histological

609
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,840
examination of tissue samples diagnosis

610
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,120
of skin cancer is by no means as simple

611
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:28,860
as looking to the opinion of someone

612
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,020
unqualified to do so

613
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,240
of course do keep a close eye on your

614
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,400
own skin but make an appointment with a

615
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:37,679
GP or Skin Cancer Clinic if you notice

616
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:40,380
anything unusual or concerning and speak

617
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,059
with them about how regularly it would

618
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,860
be appropriate for you to have your skin

619
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,659
checked by a professional

620
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,400
two in three Australians will be

621
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:49,200
diagnosed with skin cancer by the time

622
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,179
they're 70. so this is really worth

623
00:27:55,970 --> 00:27:53,460
keeping on top of to find out more about

624
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,980
reducing risks and screening there's a

625
00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:57,779
lot of useful information on the cancer

626
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,760
council's website at cancer.org dot a u

627
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,039
Back to Black salve

628
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:07,860
self or Internet diagnosis and the use

629
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,980
of black Salve don't allow for accuracy

630
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:13,440
some lesions and skin spots are benign

631
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,020
and don't require any treatment at all

632
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,419
conversely those that do need their

633
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,120
progression assessed black Salve can

634
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:24,000
leave behind cancerous cells the use of

635
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,980
black cell can lead to pointless injury

636
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:28,559
and a false sense of having cancer

637
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,179
treated

638
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,120
why do people choose to use black salve

639
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:35,760
well mistrust of evidence-based medicine

640
00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:38,340
is a factor alongside the belief that

641
00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:40,919
black self is somehow safer because it

642
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,539
is natural

643
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,640
as with many other dangerous beliefs

644
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,799
getting accurate information out into

645
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,260
the public sphere can help but it can

646
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,240
also further polarize those who are

647
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:53,700
heavily invested in the belief there's a

648
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,260
substantial number of black Salve

649
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:57,480
adherents who believe that black Salve

650
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,940
is a cure for cancer being suppressed by

651
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,919
a big farmer the government lizard

652
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,919
people and what have you

653
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,240
publicizing the dangers of black Salve

654
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,880
is one way to reduce its use another is

655
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,500
via regulation

656
00:29:15,409 --> 00:29:13,380
this is a difficult one as while the TGA

657
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,419
have deemed it unlisted on the

658
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,460
Australian register of therapeutic Goods

659
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:19,980
there is no effective ban on black self

660
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,880
products the TGA has however issued an

661
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,679
alert recommending people do not use

662
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,380
black Salve and Associated ineffective

663
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:31,260
cancer cures which is useful as we can

664
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,299
then report those selling black salves

665
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,760
or products recommending their use such

666
00:29:41,389 --> 00:29:38,340
as the notorious dvd one answer to

667
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:41,399
cancer to the TGA

668
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,700
in 2013 the TGA responded to a complaint

669
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,320
made regarding the Australian

670
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,480
vaccination Network's promotion of black

671
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:50,760
self and the sale of the one answer to

672
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:53,700
cancer DVD citing several breaches of

673
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:56,940
the therapeutic Goods act 1989

674
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,220
the TGA ordered the removal of any

675
00:30:03,789 --> 00:30:01,440
promotion of black cell from the avian's

676
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,799
website and that a retraction be posted

677
00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:06,720
including a link to the tga's consumer

678
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,700
alert on its use

679
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,399
personally I'd like to see Regulatory

680
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,679
Agencies come down harder on dangerous

681
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,899
products such as black Salve but their

682
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,760
consumer alert can be useful When

683
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:20,159
approaching third parties

684
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:22,380
the night before my minor procedure I

685
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,179
decided to have a quick look online to

686
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:26,100
see whether I could find anybody selling

687
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:29,100
black Salve in Australia unfortunately I

688
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:31,140
didn't have to look too hard there were

689
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,299
several listings on eBay for black Salve

690
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,480
posted by sellers based in Australia I

691
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:38,399
filled out reports for each one on their

692
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,860
item Pages then decided to have a go at

693
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,960
contacting eBay publicly via Twitter

694
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:44,880
with a polite tweet

695
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:46,020
quote

696
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:49,500
hi eBay are you several Au listings for

697
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,620
black Salve slash bloodroot Salve unsafe

698
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,440
and not on TGA register can you remove

699
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:58,080
with a link to the tga's warning end

700
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,520
quote

701
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:01,080
I didn't have a great amount of

702
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,460
confidence that anything would come of

703
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,020
it but thought it worth a try

704
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:06,779
nonetheless the next morning I worked to

705
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:09,480
a reply from eBay's Australian account

706
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,899
quote Joe Alabaster Hey Joe thanks so

707
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:14,279
much for bringing this to our attention

708
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:17,159
we're removing all listings now shout if

709
00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:21,059
there's anything else end quote wow

710
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,340
and a few more listings did appear from

711
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,200
the same sellers with words slightly

712
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,120
changed in order to try and evade

713
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,640
detection and deletion I sent links to

714
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,740
them back to eBay via Twitter and they

715
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:34,440
promptly deleted these also when I let

716
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:36,419
eBay know how much I appreciated their

717
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:38,460
help the person handling their Twitter

718
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,220
account replied quote no worries at all

719
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,500
I made the mistake of Googling that

720
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,260
stuff end quote

721
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,020
I suppose for most people the images of

722
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,419
black self use speak for themselves and

723
00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:53,039
I feel very fortunate that I happen to

724
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,779
come across somebody in a position of

725
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,460
power to virtually get it off the

726
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:58,799
shelves who is eager to assist when

727
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,500
making a complaint such people are out

728
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
there we don't always find them or they

729
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:06,240
can't always act when trying to alert

730
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,179
businesses organizations or dare I say

731
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,520
government-run health websites to

732
00:32:14,769 --> 00:32:13,380
dangerous misinformation or products

733
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:14,779
they're involved in the promotion of

734
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,880
lobbying against quackery is often a

735
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:19,620
more time consuming and complicated

736
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,260
process than a couple of eBay forms and

737
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,659
some tweets it really is worth taking

738
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,000
that first step though whether it

739
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,159
results in a small and immediate success

740
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,260
or is the beginning of a greater

741
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,360
campaign and if you don't feel that

742
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,340
larger scale complaints lobbying and

743
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,260
publicizing are your thing get in touch

744
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:39,600
with other Skeptics let them know what's

745
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,220
going on and see whether they're

746
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,200
inspired to take action

747
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:44,940
there are days when I feel rather

748
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,679
overwhelmed by the amount of dangerous

749
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,659
quackery out there and helpless to do

750
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,760
much about it I'm acquainted with some

751
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:52,620
people who accomplish amazing things

752
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:55,380
medical researchers doctors and nurses

753
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,720
journalists stop the AVN and the good

754
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,240
thinking society and individuals who

755
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,399
utilize their expertise and passion to

756
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,200
expose and formally complain about

757
00:33:09,649 --> 00:33:06,960
charlatans quacks and dangerously misled

758
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,659
proponents of Wu I've had the privilege

759
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,760
of meeting great activists and Educators

760
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,700
dedicated communicators those who engage

761
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,559
with the media the public and with

762
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,500
bodies creating policy and their efforts

763
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,480
completely Blow Me Away

764
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,640
over the past few years that I've been

765
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:25,799
involved with skepticism I've become

766
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:27,299
convinced that we can all be doing

767
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,740
something useful

768
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,840
whether it's as simple as sending a

769
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:32,720
complaint to an e-commerce website

770
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:35,340
engaging politely on social media with

771
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:36,779
those in a position to help stop

772
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,179
quackery being spread sharing

773
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,039
evidence-based information when somebody

774
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:43,740
makes an inaccurate claim letting people

775
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,679
know that David avocado wolf makes some

776
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,080
very dangerous claims about medicine and

777
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:51,120
suggesting they stop sharing his memes

778
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,880
on Facebook or publicly or financially

779
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:55,559
supporting campaigns run by other

780
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,059
Skeptics

781
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:59,820
many great skeptical triumphs which have

782
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,799
helped diminish the proliferation of Wu

783
00:34:06,169 --> 00:34:04,140
began with a single person noticing

784
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,179
something was wrong perhaps discussing

785
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:08,280
it with other Skeptics and acting upon

786
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:09,179
it

787
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,339
that said don't discount the tiny

788
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,399
triumphs they definitely add up

789
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,560
if there's a chance that an action you

790
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,200
could take may bring about any measure

791
00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:21,720
of good please consider going ahead with

792
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,460
making that complaint or politely

793
00:34:28,479 --> 00:34:25,740
engaging with somebody it may well be

794
00:34:28,489 --> 00:34:38,570
[Music]

795
00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:44,109
foreign

796
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,230
podcast on be rational.com every couple

797
00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:50,099
of weeks I assigns the hell out of

798
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:51,780
alternative medicines health and

799
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:54,300
nutrition fads social media forwards

800
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,320
science news and lots more of course you

801
00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,180
can find all of my articles podcast

802
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:02,700
episodes and lots more on

803
00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:09,829
see you there and until then always be

804
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:11,560
rationable

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00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:28,430
[Music]

806
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:30,770
now it's time once again to tiptoe into

807
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,750
trovatrove.nl8.gov.eu and other

808
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,400
resources from around the world this

809
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:41,220
time I had the tiptoe down into the

810
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,140
center of the city once again to go to

811
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,079
the State Library down into the depth

812
00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:48,420
into the cellar where they keep the

813
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,520
microfiche microfiche microfilm with

814
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:54,900
newspapers in this case it was the

815
00:36:00,829 --> 00:35:58,619
Sydney Morning Herald newspaper and I

816
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,839
found this because I was just doing a

817
00:36:04,849 --> 00:36:02,760
general search on Psychic reports

818
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:04,859
paranormal that sort of thing

819
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:09,380
and I ended up in the year

820
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:14,640
1972 on the 29th of June in the section

821
00:36:21,849 --> 00:36:18,060
called look and here we find the report

822
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:21,859
the psychic side of society

823
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:33,670
tales of the supernatural fact or fraud

824
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:37,440
I can't believe that said Alice you

825
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,680
can't the queen said in a pitying tone

826
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:43,680
try again draw a long breath and shut

827
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:44,760
your eyes

828
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,540
Alice laughed there is no use trying she

829
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:50,940
said one can't believe in possible

830
00:36:57,710 --> 00:36:54,540
things I dare say you haven't had much

831
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:57,720
practice said the queen when I was your

832
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,180
age I always did it for half an hour a

833
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,599
day by sometimes I believe as many as

834
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,480
six impossible things before breakfast

835
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:09,060
from through the looking glass by Lewis

836
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,440
Carroll the queen was probably psychic

837
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,800
and Alice like many of us would cry

838
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,839
fraud

839
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,119
throughout the years the supernatural

840
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,280
has been given a bad name mentioned

841
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:25,619
Clairvoyance medium Faith healing or

842
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:28,920
extra sensory perception and the cynics

843
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,480
will tell you it is rubbish but interest

844
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:35,520
in all things supernatural has never

845
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:38,760
been higher the young especially are

846
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:42,119
dipping into the field they are studying

847
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:44,540
mysticism and Eastern philosophies

848
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:47,820
singing Hari Krishna reading books on

849
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:50,040
the Supernatural and joining societies

850
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:53,700
for psychic research there even seems to

851
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:57,180
be a certain occult Style on record

852
00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:00,180
covers and in disk attacks the

853
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:02,940
Australian actress Judy champ thinks

854
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,220
they are searching for an unorthodox

855
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,920
religious experience Judy who has been

856
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:10,200
interested in psychic research since she

857
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:13,380
was 14 is writing a book on leading

858
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,619
psychic personalities people especially

859
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,720
kids are looking for more than the

860
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,640
narrow confines of Christian religion

861
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:23,400
it's too narrow and too dogmatic for

862
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,820
them she says I want a broader framework

863
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,460
and an interest in psychic things is one

864
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:31,740
way to find it because scientists are

865
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:34,140
doing more and more research into these

866
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,140
things than ever before people are

867
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:39,060
ceasing to treat them as mere fraud and

868
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:41,880
trickery and I'll quickly cut in here to

869
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:45,240
say 1972 it's interesting to see how

870
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:46,980
these things these arguments have

871
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:50,180
developed over the years and once again

872
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:53,160
as is often the case with the media even

873
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:55,740
today they'll treat your report of

874
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:58,859
somebody claiming psychic powers is

875
00:39:02,810 --> 00:38:59,820
either

876
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:02,820
the real deal or fraud

877
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:07,619
and miss out the in my experience and

878
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:09,180
the experience of Randy and many other

879
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:09,960
people

880
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,920
uh innocently deluding themselves to one

881
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,500
degree or another of course there's the

882
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:21,660
Sharks and the frauds out there of

883
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,540
course but we find so many people who

884
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,640
sincerely believe

885
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:28,560
um in the uh

886
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:31,260
in the powers they think they have we

887
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,339
read on Mrs Marjorie eastling agrees she

888
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,740
is a medium who lectured for 20 years on

889
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,380
Psychic research at Macquarie Auditorium

890
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,920
and for the psychic research Society for

891
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,359
about five years

892
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:47,700
there's a great freedom of thought in

893
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,579
the world she says children are no

894
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:53,520
longer accepting blindly they are far

895
00:39:58,670 --> 00:39:56,220
more thinking and analyzing than their

896
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:58,680
parents were and they're far more

897
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,140
interested in the mind and outer limits

898
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:04,140
to which they can send it she believes

899
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:07,500
the world is headed back to religion but

900
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,500
not as we know it it's turning a full

901
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,320
cycle it's got just about as rotten as

902
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:16,320
it can and now we're going back to

903
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,740
spiritual values but we aren't going via

904
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,320
the established church kids aren't going

905
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:24,900
to swallow Jonah and the whale and the

906
00:40:29,569 --> 00:40:27,300
Garden of Eden the textbooks they're

907
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:29,579
reading now are the textbooks of

908
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:32,579
tomorrow but they've got a textbook of

909
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,880
Faith which is over 2 000 years old the

910
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:38,040
world's been around for millions of

911
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:40,920
years and with only allotted three score

912
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,040
and ten that's a pretty short stick the

913
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,680
kids are searching for more continuation

914
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,140
of this life and a greater psychic

915
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:51,960
awareness is the way they can do it over

916
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,599
the past couple of years Mrs eastling

917
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:56,640
has noticed an increase in the number of

918
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,760
young people attending her lectures they

919
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,560
want to know more about a spiritual

920
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:03,900
involvement with things around them and

921
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:05,880
the spiritual evolvement of themselves

922
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,000
and they come to my lectures with the

923
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,760
hope of finding that Mrs eastling

924
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,119
believes everyone has the potential for

925
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:17,640
psychic awareness but

926
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:19,980
we've become so cluttered with gadgetry

927
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,440
that we've forgotten how to do it she

928
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:24,480
believes that early man communicated

929
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:28,079
with Spirits as easily as we communicate

930
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,500
via radio and television but modern

931
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:33,900
mechanization has blacked out the clear

932
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:36,599
concise vision of these things for us

933
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:39,780
all around us are people with these

934
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,540
psychic gifts but they feel guilty and

935
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,760
hide them the young aren't so afraid to

936
00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,040
come to grips with their gifts Sydney

937
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:49,800
bookstores report a tremendous interest

938
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,579
in books on the supernatural Mrs E Abby

939
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:55,800
from Abby's Bookshop says their best

940
00:42:03,530 --> 00:41:59,839
sellers are on Eastern mysticism ESP

941
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,540
Blackmagic or astrology once mainly

942
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,000
Housewives bought these books but we've

943
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:07,680
noticed a lot of young people buying

944
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:10,460
them over the past year or so she says

945
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,740
dymics which is a another book store

946
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,079
here in Sydney still going dimics

947
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,359
carries a large range of books on the

948
00:42:25,089 --> 00:42:21,119
supernatural Witchcraft and demonology

949
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:25,099
sell well as do books on ESP

950
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,859
YA books shop says sales have increased

951
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,200
over the past year and it's mainly young

952
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,020
people who are buying Sydney people in

953
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:36,420
the psychic research world are reluctant

954
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:40,020
to talk about their gifts many feel they

955
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,540
will be misrepresented or maligned a

956
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:44,700
spokeswoman for the psychic research

957
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,700
Society said we have people doing

958
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:50,520
wonderful work here but they won't talk

959
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:53,099
the whole field has been given such a

960
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,599
bad name that these people are

961
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,359
frightened of being ridiculed I'll just

962
00:43:04,490 --> 00:42:59,339
quickly stop again and say let's see now

963
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:04,500
this was 1972 50 years ago

964
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:07,980
50 years ago

965
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,859
and investigations in the claims of the

966
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,900
Paranormal with James Randy and so forth

967
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:16,079
have been going on longer than 50 years

968
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,460
so

969
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,440
you know I think

970
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,480
all the people around the world claiming

971
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,280
psychic powers and whatever have been

972
00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:25,040
given

973
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:28,619
decades to put their case

974
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:32,480
and to change society by showing science

975
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,880
a new uh a new sphere of research and

976
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:41,520
it just hasn't come to fruition

977
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,220
and they can't just keep blaming other

978
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,040
people for being non-believers ran over

979
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,500
we pick it up after

980
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,540
she says people will be frightened of

981
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:53,880
being ridiculed but they will probably

982
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,700
not have to hide much longer

983
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:59,099
there is a tremendous amount of academic

984
00:44:03,849 --> 00:44:00,900
interest in psychic research at the

985
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:03,859
moment people of unquestionable

986
00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:06,660
respectability are looking at the whole

987
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:07,560
field

988
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:10,619
with a growing curiosity universities

989
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:12,920
have conducted and are still conducting

990
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:16,020
detailed experiments in two different

991
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:19,380
facets of the field Professor JB Ryan

992
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:22,680
professor of parapsychology at Duke

993
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,220
University North Carolina is one man who

994
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,380
has done recent serious work on the

995
00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:30,960
subject his team has established a high

996
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,660
reputation for its scientific

997
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:35,339
experiments in telepathy Clairvoyance

998
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,760
and psychokinesis the power of

999
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,560
thought Over Matter

1000
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,540
now it is starting to investigate

1001
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:44,819
psychic healing

1002
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,700
Professor h.j Eisner who holds the chair

1003
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:49,680
of psychology at the University of

1004
00:44:55,809 --> 00:44:52,859
London and is director of two leading

1005
00:44:59,089 --> 00:44:55,819
hospitals has done work in telepathy

1006
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:59,099
unless there is a gigantic conspiracy

1007
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,859
involving some 30 University departments

1008
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:04,319
all over the world and several hundred

1009
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,300
highly respectable scientists in various

1010
00:45:10,609 --> 00:45:09,119
Fields many of them originally hostile

1011
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:10,619
to the claims of these psychical

1012
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,160
researchers the only conclusion must be

1013
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,220
that there does exist a small number of

1014
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:19,680
people who obtain knowledge existing in

1015
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,060
other people's minds or in the outer

1016
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:27,440
World by means as yet unknown to science

1017
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:31,140
psychic research has even invaded the

1018
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:32,819
space program

1019
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,640
during the Apollo 14 mission to the Moon

1020
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,400
in February last year astronaut Ed

1021
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,079
Mitchell attempted to establish

1022
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,240
telepathic contact with selected people

1023
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,880
on Earth the results of the experiment

1024
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:47,160
have not been released

1025
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,040
so that report comes from 50 years ago

1026
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,240
and also included on the page some

1027
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,920
diagrams

1028
00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:58,140
we have some

1029
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:01,260
um squiggly writing

1030
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:05,640
squiggles Looks Could Be names it says

1031
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:08,579
supernatural phenomena question mark

1032
00:46:12,849 --> 00:46:11,940
Spirit messages written by a medium in a

1033
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:12,859
trance

1034
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,839
uh-huh and also on the page we have a

1035
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:17,400
photograph which is sort of difficult to

1036
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,800
make out it looks like a box or a

1037
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,319
container with some blurry something

1038
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,720
blurry on the top it says the

1039
00:46:29,770 --> 00:46:26,960
handkerchief that took its own picture

1040
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,780
as it broke an electrical connection

1041
00:46:36,130 --> 00:46:32,880
moving apparently under its own power at

1042
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:36,140
the instigation of a medium

1043
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,339
yeah not very convincing I'm afraid

1044
00:46:47,710 --> 00:46:43,920
so that was the psychic side of society

1045
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:47,720
written way back on the 29th of June

1046
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,579
1972 in the pages of the Sydney Morning

1047
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:52,020
Herald

1048
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,680
and for many reasons it would be fun

1049
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:57,839
to have a time machine and go back and

1050
00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:00,660
say to these people look here if you

1051
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,020
tried this

1052
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:05,940
and of course things don't work that way

1053
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:09,300
and as a society we must learn we must

1054
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:11,480
do what um

1055
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,060
what um a line I saw or I heard in the

1056
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:17,760
in a Terminator movie and also on Doctor

1057
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:18,900
Who

1058
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:21,900
we must get there the long way around

1059
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,020
you can't shortcut we can't uh

1060
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,079
we can't just appear in the future in

1061
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,960
order to get there we have to go the

1062
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:32,520
long way around

1063
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:36,060
and learn hopefully learn as we go

1064
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,260
[Music]

1065
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:42,060
but you can learn all sorts of things as

1066
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:45,240
you go if you uh take a wander through

1067
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:49,160
the digital archives at Trove at

1068
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:51,000
trove.nla.gov.eu but of course there are

1069
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,560
digital archives

1070
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,380
around the world so if you want to check

1071
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,140
out what your country has to offer you

1072
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:01,260
you never know you never know what you

1073
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:20,089
[Music]

1074
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:21,950
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1075
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:25,200
Zone this week and don't forget hearing

1076
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,819
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1077
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:29,220
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1078
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:31,740
the first weekend of December you know

1079
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:33,480
the links you know the links just head

1080
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,720
to skepticzone.tv and click the link at

1081
00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:38,700
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1082
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,130
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1083
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,359
contribute to the skeptic Zone once

1084
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:51,119
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1085
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,500
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1086
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:56,579
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1087
00:49:02,030 --> 00:48:59,400
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1088
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:02,040
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1089
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:06,480
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1090
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:08,579
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1091
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,400
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1092
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:13,500
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1093
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,440
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1094
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:18,540
coming up on next week's show let me

1095
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,859
have a look oh it's blank blank I wonder

1096
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,300
what I'll do

1097
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,119
I'll have to do some more research hmm

1098
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,520
what's coming up on next week's show is

1099
00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:32,160
a mystery if you want to solve the

1100
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:34,859
mystery listen to next week's show but

1101
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,660
just before I go a big congratulations

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to our reporter Maynard who put together

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a wonderful special just last night

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which was broadcast on uh

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Mixcloud on the Mixcloud system

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his Mary Wilson special that went for

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over an hour lots of jokes and laughs

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and me not being a goose lots of great

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music and I look forward to Menard's

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next special and that should be about

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Weird Al Yankovic but for this week this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from

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hello to you people who listen after the

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music for the dice game

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[Music]

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here we go I'm going to roll

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uh two d10s together a bit of a

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difference for those people who don't

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know who accidentally have heard this

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for the first time hearing this for the

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first time sometimes I roll a dice

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a die two dice

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mice

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Thrice and you use your special gifts in

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the way of psychic powers or dumb luck

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to uh

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see if you can match the numbers that

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come up but I'll be rolling two d10s

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10-sided die dice at the same time so

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you get two numbers each time of the

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three

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and what's that aircraft flying over my

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studio at the moment looking at my

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flight radar Sydney to Bangkok Airbus A3

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30 303 uh-huh

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Qantas

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qfa23 there you go

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sometimes it's difficult to record

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between aircraft so first roll coming up

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to die

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and the first numbers coming up are

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seven

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and six

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and if you want to get very technical

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the red

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die is seven and the White die is six

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six

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this time the red die is seven

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but the White die

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is one

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I wonder what it means last time here we

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go

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guess away

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[Applause]

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this time the red dye is one

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I suppose I could add all those up and

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divide by three and I don't know what

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today's winning numbers ah

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seven and six seven and one